Winning the Big Game is What Matters

Reading Reaper0bot0's diary tonight reminded me very much of all the Internet Security debates I have been involved with since the early nineties.  I invented one of the early firewalls (BorderWare), and since that time it has been my mixed pleasure and angst to engage in heated debates that are very very similar to this one.

The people who know a lot about Internet security are by and large very smart technical geeks who spend all their time thinking and worrying about keeping bad folks from doing nasty things.  We get really passionate about it - if we screw up people are harmed.  In some areas of our profession like Critical Infrastructure (which I focused on 2005-2007), when we screw up, people die.

Tempers get very sharp about the specific things we should do, and how we can do them.  The worst part?  I never know whether what I believe to be the right thing to do is not horribly wrong, and may lead to horrible consequences.  But since the alternative is doing nothing, I have to do the best I can and live with the results.

Early in this phase of my career, I was virtually alone is reiterating that we have to do possible things, or we would end up being an immaterial debating club.  "Firewalls are no good, people can hack through them by doing XYZ!!!!!".  OK, true.  Still.  But since every person and organization in the world would be getting online in the coming years (as they pretty well now have) - and that at the end of the day there are only so many infosec folks, and that the sheer logistics of building and securing this entire global network thing are staggeringly large - we needed to build (and yes, even market and sell) appropriately to keep the ball moving down the field to the Desired Perfect Solution we all agreed was the goal.

That view did not always make me popular, but my popularity (of lack thereof) did not make me incorrect.  Today, many in my field understand the pragmatism necessary to address this overwhelmingly large and complex endeavor.

Politics are no different.  Folks who blog a great deal about politics (like myself of late) are rare.  Most people do not focus so much on this stuff.  Most people are not politicians - we have a few hundred people working on thousands of issues, many of them literaly life or death and almost all of them complicated and interconnected.  The ability to move the political ball down the field is incorrectly believed by most people to be something that "those folks" should be able to do any way they like.  The reality is that a limited number of people are dealing with an enormous number of complex and inter-related issues in a sliding window of time.  No matter how much any political geek wishes to make a given "answer" to a given issue pop into existence overnight, the reality is that a positive outcome is one where - on average - the situation moves in the right direction over time.

So.  Should FISA and the overly-intrusive and underly-accountable bits intrinsic in it be killed on sight?  Probably.  Is that possible in the matrix of Doing Good Things that we will analyze and judge from the historical perspective of, say, ten years from now?  Maybe not.

What I want to see is that the issues of this country, and of this world, improve over time.  The details of how to do all of that I am happy to ponder and discuss, but not at the expense of moving that ball down the field one play at a time and winning the Big Game in the end.

-chris



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Tips for doing something instead of nothing. (2.00 / 9)


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Wed Jun 25, 2008 at 11:56:24 PM EST

Thank you... (2.00 / 5)

For this well-written and well-thought-out diary. While I do feel that some issues (like our Constitution) are NOT worth compromising, I still won't just take my ball and go home if I don't get everything I want. I sincerely hope Obama will do all he can to stop this horrid FISA capitulation. But will I dump him if he can't stop it? Nope.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:47:26 AM EST
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Re: Thank you... (2.00 / 1)

Thanks, and I do agree about FISA "in the end".

I will be harshly judgemental if an Obama presidency does not get rid of the kinds of crap that is embedded in this thing.

Mind you, that's an "Obama Presidency".  Prior to that, he's just one of 300+ DC politicians voting for this damn thing, and I am not going to call him specifically out for it atm.  Unlike all the rest, he might be in a position to do something about it later.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:30:15 AM EST
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Re: Thank you... (none / 0)

Hey Chris

The thing is Chris, my understanding is that Sen. Obama didn't vote at all. Neither did Sen Clinton or Sen. McCain. Where is the leadership. Where was the vote and then explaination why. Did their consituents in Arizona, Illinois, and New York tell them to say home? If they did well hey it is there job to represent their voters. But if you become President you have to vote to lead. You have to get out there and do it. In the Senate I think you can hide within the coalitions, but not in the White House. That's why it would be good to have a VP with strong Senate connections. There's some though rows to hoe coming up. The President will need eyes and ears in the Senate.
The Democrats have the majority and they aren't using it.

In Sen. McCain and Sen. Obama case, BOTH have been running as "straight talkers", "Not bussiness as usual" candidates.  How is it a straight talkin' new day if you don't even show up and say what's up. I thought that people were showing up in the primary to vote for Sen. Obama because he would be above the politics of Washington, DC. To cave at this point?  Do the Democrats, who voted for FISA, live in places where FISA has this support? I hear this and wonder what the Dem/s who voted for them must think.

What the heck is going on? Who are these folks compromising with in order to be elected? Is there that level of support for FISA among voters?

Seriously who are this magical people who the condidatea and the US Senate compromising with in order to get a Democrat elected? Especially the New Day Democrats who've promised to be above Politics as usual.

Good to see you Chris. This isn't in anyway an attack. I am perplexed at what I'm hearing. I would have appreciated good clear explainations as to why folks voted the way they did. This not showing up is feckless.

By the way, I would very much like to talk to you about A Coastal coalition here at myDD. Thanks.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:48:35 AM EST
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more bitching about (none / 0)

people who weren't busy campaigning not showing up, honestly.

I wish there was a power of attorney for voting, that way kennedy could have shown up.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:37:18 PM EST
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Re: more bitching about (none / 0)

You know. Their JOB is not campaigning. Their JOB is representing the citizens of their state. In this case actually doing their job would have been important to show that Sen. Obama could lead now on the issue of the day. That's the thing about the Senate. He could spend his days in Washington doing his job and then have a press conference on the internet/cable etc. Free press. "What did Sen. Obama do today about the issues that face us now?" The bad thing here is that Team Obama crusified Sen. Clinton and Team Clinton for being pragmatic. Remember the invasion of Iraq vote? Then she was evil incarnate for saying she was pragmatic. Looking at the big picture. Now when Sen Obama does it? He's a smart game player????

:O


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:01:54 PM EST
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yawn. (none / 0)

he's an asshole. I can be consistent. Can't you?


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:29:42 PM EST
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Iraq (none / 0)

I'll be honest, when Obama gave his speech against the war in Iraq it annoyed me.  Not because it was not correct, but because it would not help.  The fact that it was a wonderfully well stated position just ticked me off even more.  From the moment Bush said it on TV (and I literally dropped my head in my hands), the die was cast, and we were going come hell or high water.  It was one of those moments when I could see the future pretty clearly - Afghanistan would be neglected and we would bite off more than we could properly chew, and all the talk in the world would not keep it from happening.

That whole period between Bush saying we're going until it started was just a long, boring wait full of escalating bitching and moaning, with countries like Canada spending months debating what "not involved" really meant, the UN deteriorating and the previously United states breaking up into bickering segments all over again.  

In that case it was Barack saying the ugly truth that needed to be said while everyone else was (more or less) being pragmatic.  If I'm not mistaken that was when Hillary Clinton was a new US Senator, and for her to take the pragmatic route at that point was probably precisely correct.

Now that Obama is not a State Senator but a near-president it is his turn to be pragmatic, and other folks need to ring the loud bell of Ugly Truth.  That is the point of my thoughts on this - it is not Sen. Obama's time to be the one shouting from the rooftops, it is the turn of those who can afford to take that heat.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 04:01:47 PM EST
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Re: Iraq (none / 0)

Chris. What I read about you being interested in either organizing a group here at myDD about the coastal enviroments. Is that still true?

I'm interested.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Sat Jul 05, 2008 at 02:30:08 PM EST
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Re: Iraq (none / 0)

Hi 12!

Wow, am I late to the game.

I'm interested but not focused.  We just settled into the new home and I have a lot of newness on my plate.

Love to have someone remind me of that often enough to make it happen someday.  

chris@blask.org


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:20:20 AM EST
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Re: Thank you... (2.00 / 1)

Agree completely.  I'm deeply disappointed that he's not taking a more aggressive attitude toward stopping FISA currently, but compared to McCain who always wanted this?  No choice.  Not to mention all the other issues.

If Obama loses, there will be few, if any, party strategists who say, "it was because of FISA."  It will be either the rumors, or that he was "too liberal."  So then in the future our candidates will be much more rightwing on FISA, Iraq, and I'm sure a bunch more issues that will make me sick.

 


Saxby Chambliss
by bosdcla14 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:30:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

MeganLocke (2.00 / 1)

wrote a good diary in some ways similar to this one that points out this is not about Obama, which is very true and well said.

Sen. Obama is not going to lose the GE over this, anyway (heck, he may even get more Indie and Republican votes out of it), and I am almost seeing a sensible Plan out of dealing with it now when there are months ahead for the Dem Core to get it out of their system.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:35:49 AM EST
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Re: Thank you... (2.00 / 3)

Agree on the diary, and recc'd.

I am deeply, deeply dissapointed in Obama.  And I guess words are just words, and there won't be CHANGE, in the politics of the past.  However, there will be change in the White House and hopefully in both Houses.  Enough so, that the DEM's won't have to continue to fall all over themselves to give the Republican's what they want, and maybe we will be able to get some additional protections and other vital issues taken care of.

Like in your profession, there is indeed always compromise, and I'm sure you can only build a wall to put up right now with things you can do right now, and then continue to work on the other 'weakness' and issue a patch or new version later.

But I say, plug the big holes now and that will lay the ground work to tackle the hard infrastructure problems that come with a task as large as what's before us.

McCain is not an option, and the 'compromise' would be much, worse if he was able to get into office.  Will I continue to hold Obama accountable?  We all should.  Will I not vote for him because of this, NO.  Republican's have proven that they can not be held to account, as we all should to General MacArthur's last Cadet Corp speech.  "Duty, Honor, Country".  This is the code I try to live by, and the code by which I judge my leaders.  It's hard, but can be done.  I'm hoping that Obama can and will live up the the hopes and dreams of an America looking to return to this mantra.  So excuse me if I'm sometimes harsh or it seems overly critical.  But this is my point of view, in which I see the world.


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:22:00 AM EST
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Well said, and thanks. (2.00 / 1)

Dissent is a wonderful frickin' thing.  I sat in Lafayette Park late one night, on the curb facing the White House, reading "Lies (And the Lying Liars Who Tell Them): A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right".  Within a deep home-run of where President Bush lay-he-down-to-sleep.

I finished the book and sat there looking around at the camped-out protesters, Secret Service, rats running through their tunnels in the grass:

And loved this country.

What a wildly cool place where we can dissent the way we do.  The indirect logic of it is crazy like a fox - stifle dissent and it festers and pressurizes.  Allow (nay, encourage) folks to read extreme criticisms of the President on the capital lawn and everything works out in due course.

America just kicks so much ass!

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:38:38 AM EST
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Re: Well said, and thanks. (none / 0)

You witnessed the exact set of circumstances that the founders I believe intended for this country.  We are empowered, yet I say required to question and protest our government, especially when the violation of the Constiution is the cause.  A Republic is chaos.  It is a violent and tumultous process in which Democracy fights to survive daily.  It is soley up to us, as the Masters of the Republic to keep it soverign and whole.  And to question those at all stations, when they infringe upon the fabric of our Republic.

A few quotes:

"No legislative act contrary to the Constitution can be valid. To deny this would be to affirm that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representative of the people is superior to the people." - Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper No. 78.

"Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." - James Madison - 1788


He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin
by TxDem08 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:02:53 AM EST
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Re: Well said, and thanks. (none / 0)

I don't know if it will still be there, but when you visit the Rosa Parks museum in Montgomery,Alabama, you can read a letter calling for them to investigate Rev.King.  Apparently Rev. King was considered a domestic terrorist. Funny since his big thing was peaceful, non violent, DO NOT BREAK the Law, social change. Heck he didn't even view it as change. It was insuring that the rights promised to us all as American citizens  to be honored. When his family was threated by violent acts he should have been the one to go to the sherrif and ask for help.

There are also the McCarthy hearing. With the government investigating citizens. It took folks of strong voice to speak out. But when they did that lead to them being investigated too. Same for folks who followed Rev. King.

I am old enough to remember protests to end the war in Vietnam. Once a gain people who were using their First Ammendment were investigated for doing so.

There is a reason to look at FISA and show leadership. It isn't a matter of what might happen. It is a matter of what has happened in history to folks who stood up. If any of these canadidates don't lead now. How will they be strong enough to lead in office?

You folks do remember that Sen. Reid was called against America when he spoke out against Iraq.

It is a great country. I love it dearly. But right now we need vision and leadership. Showiing up is part of it.
Or was that supposed to be a protest against the FISA vote. Hmm Better to vote no or yes. Either way defend the decision clearly and then vote.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:12:48 PM EST
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First Steps toward Change` (none / 0)

Obama coopted the netroots, and that's fine. he never was one of us, and he won't be one of us. This is also fine.

But he's done a great deal towards making sure that special interests stay the fuck out of the influence game, by getting everyday people involved.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:38:23 PM EST
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First Steps toward the slipery slope. (none / 0)

How did he do this?

I was listening to his interview with Tim Russert. Russert asked about taking money from special interests. Sen. Obama said no he wouldn't money from special interests. Then Tim Russert did what Tim Russert was good at. He asked him about the campaign contributions he'd already taken.

Long list it was.

Even if he didn't take a dime during the primary and GE, he's ALREADY taken enough contributions to make him "beholden'".

It reminded me of hearing how Sen. Kerry had given everything to run including morgaging his home. Now out here in the world that would be a big deal. It was designed to make Sen. Kerry look the underdog who was giving his all to be President. Turns out he had to because of campaign financing. His wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry is RICH. He could finance it and then some.

It sounds good but in the end it's just kinda icky.


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:12:37 PM EST
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there's a big gap between beholden and (none / 0)

blackmailed.

Lieberman is a turncoat, most Democrats, even those beholden to corporations (like Biden), aren't.

There is a key difference here -- Obama has proven with his campaign that financing by individuals will be a large component of any successful run hereafter. This means that rich individuals and corporations will have less influence. IT ISN'T ABOUT OBAMA, AT ALL. IT IS ABOUT TAKING BACK AMERICA.

And part of that is getting the rich individuals (or at least the smart ones, a good deal of the hardline Hillary backers wouldn't give up one bit of influence for anything or anybody. stupid conservatives).

Note: in none of this did I mention Hillary supporters. there is a huge difference.


yo mir kennen
by RisingTide on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:28:35 PM EST
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I have recced.... (2.00 / 2)

but I disagree !

Winning the big prize should not be the proper framework.  As Gandhi said, "there cannot be any way to peace, peace has to be THE way".

But I can also understand your viewpoint...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:50:53 AM EST

Re: I have recced.... (none / 0)

Thanks, and understood.

It would bother me if no fuss was made over things like FISA, it's not a good thing in the grand scheme of things.  But crucifying one politician supporting it, now, publicly, when he is the only politician who could be in a position to address the greater issue of accountability and privacy in the near future, is somewhere I am just not going to go.  That may well turn out to be a bad play instigated by the other team that throws the whole game for all of us.

-best

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:34:15 AM EST
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Re: I have recced.... (none / 0)

How will he undo it?  Ask for the repeal of a law he couldn't be bothered to show up to vote "no" for? Yeah I hear you. He had a chance to vote it down. He has a chance to lead. He has a  chance to be the David that brought down the FISA Goliath. Hey I'd bet there would be Independents, Liberatarians, and Republicans going "Hurray!"

Now he looks like every other "politikin'" politician.

But no, he was too busy running for president to do his JOB. Being Senator and representing the folks in Illinois IS his job. Presidency is like interviewing for a future job. He ain't got it yet. And considering he's running on a platform of NOT being business as usual. This isn't about playing it smart or appeasing the base. I thought that Dem. Progressives were for protecting civil liberties. What's up?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:24:42 PM EST
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Re: I have recced.... (none / 0)

Oh and I like to go on the record as being a one of those "old crotchy feminists". I see a a notible lack of the the "new and improved feminists".

So where are you folks. The ones who want to see a strong females in the three branches of our national government.

I should they'd be lauding the female Senator's who voted "no"?


by 12 dogs and a blog on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:30:22 PM EST
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Re: Winning the Big Game is What Matters (2.00 / 2)

I agree with this argument and find it appropriate for this particular issue.  But politicians have used the "winning the big game is what matters" argument to justify basically anything.  I trust and hope that Obama won't.  But if the opportunity to stand up for something that matters comes up again, I'd like to see him take the risk.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:32:28 AM EST

Re: Winning the Big Game is What Matters (2.00 / 1)

And I should add: rec'd.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:32:53 AM EST
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Re: Winning the Big Game is What Matters (none / 0)

Thanks.

I really do undertand the furor.  FISA and the Patriot act and all they imply have been causing hair to stand up across the infosec world for, oh, about six years and nine months now...  Intrusive governments messing with citizens' information while protecting companies for compromising customer data - it ain't pretty.

My take on it atm is that getting really publicly pissed off now, when none of this is new, is not productive to the goal of changing it all.  The only thing I can think of to guarantee that all of this continues is to keep the machine that Bush controlled (or vice versa) in Washington.  

McCain has already said he would have Cheney in his cabinet...   ummmm....

-best

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 01:43:14 AM EST
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Re: Winning the Big Game is What Matters (none / 0)

Good diary.  Thanks for the reminders.

I'm not sure, it might be inevitable, but what I don't want to see is the pendulum swing so far Left we end up with another conservative backlash 2, 4, 8 years down the road.  I'd rather see an agenda that's kinda sorta liberal and sustains long enough to address the worst problems, than a reactionary leftist agenda that burns out too fast.

For going on eight years now I've felt completely utterly invisible and irrelevant to my government, so my needs are small.  I'm going to be satisfied if my concerns are even HEARD yet alone resolved to my complete satisfaction.  I want to see things moving in the right direction and don't expect radical changes overnight.

I remember Clinton being hung on a fence for stating that some lobbyists represent real Americans as if somehow Obama was immune to them and going to magically make them all disappear.  Please.  And I want a dog that eats crap and craps money.  

It's all about babysteps, picking your battles and pushing slowly forward towards the common good.  This is an infinite struggle -- greed, hatred, corruption and petty politicking aren't going to end because the "good guys" are in power.  

All we csn hope for is to see the tide turn.


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 08:47:39 AM EST

I'm a shameless Centrist (none / 0)

and I use the "wild pendulum swings" meme often.

Swinging pendulums are a good thing - as long as they are steady and within the margins of good engineering.  I have had the feeling that our political system has become like a Victorian clockwork machine where the pendulum has been slamming against the stops on each swing, wobbling and vibrating and chewing up the bearings more and more each time.  Many on the Progressive blogosphere have crowed about the "coming 30-year Democratic Rule!!" and my response has been that folks should enjoy the time of power without getting too cocky about it.

The time is right to move the pointer back to the left - which it desperately needs - while simultaneously stabilizing the pendulum (and maybe even fixing some of those worn bearings).

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:11:22 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Too pragmatic by half... ;-) (2.00 / 1)

Thank you for this. I wonder if anyone's considered that the reason why we're even having a discussion on FISA (instead of a collective opinion in the electorate that, of course, warrentless wiretaps on US citizens are unconstitutional) is precisely because the GOP has taken the approach you have advocated, moving the ball further and further to the right. I think this mentality explains McCain's recent lurch toward the far right as well.

We have a unique opportunity right now to reverse that steady march. I'll be as active and outspoken as I need to be if a President Obama does not clean up things like this or quickly move toward universal healthcare and withdrawl from Iraq. But I won't have to work as hard as with a President McCain.


by grannyhelen on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:32:08 AM EST

Re: Too pragmatic by half... ;-) (none / 0)

Thanks.  I'm a living contradiction, and it pleases me on a deep level.  So is this silly country.

You're absolutely right (or left ;-), though.  And it isn't just McCain, there is an infrastructure in DC Right now that, Left in place, will have us all banging our heads against the wall to no affect.

Out, damn spot!

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:44:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Ah, yes..... (2.00 / 1)

"Today, many in my field understand the pragmatism necessary to address this overwhelmingly large and complex endeavor."

PRAGMATISM.  

In democracy, it is more than something to be understood.  It is reality.  Some of us, including Hillary Clinton, learned this years ago...decades ago.  Starting out as idealists, we learned that democracy, in order to be democracy, requires compromise and compromise requires pragmatism.  
We learned decades ago, that on the march to liberty, equality, one often has to move more slowly than one would like.  
We learn it from history; from the American Revolution, the French Revolution, from the Bolsheviks.......in the end there is no absolutism that works.  One cannot DEMAND freedom and justice in the streets from violence, from war....even from Revolution.  
When the American revolution was finished, still at least half of the population was not free (women were still property).  When the French revolution finished, some of the freedom fighters who disposed of the despots became what they got rid of; the Bolsheviks ended the power of the Czars only to become a different form of elitists.

Despite Ghandi's philosophy, India is still not a place of freedom and peaceful pleasure for all......

In the end, democracy requires compromise less we become what we desire to rid ourselves of....bullying from the left is no better than bullying from the right.
People need to want to keep their civil liberties...and want to fight for them. To force them to do so defeats the purpose.  And the key of course is education.  One should not fight for something one does not understand.

In the end pragmatism is required. Patience is required. But alas, hypocrisy and sanctimony is often the tool of those who think one can bully others into getting what they want.


by Jjc2008 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 09:42:24 AM EST

Very well said (none / 0)

You made a lot of specific examples that - but for making my diary (again) unreadably long - I would have put into it.

The "bully" point is massively important.  I am tactically concerned that the Dems with the GE, but short of disaster or inattention it is a done deal.  Beyond that, I am much more worried that the Left will get too giddy with its mandate and rapidly slip into Bullyism.

I wrote a MyBO diary on bullies and "Being the Higher Ground, but that was during the primary battle so it is pointed in the wrong direction for current discourse.  It has been on my mind to rewrite that for the current time and place, but to put the pertinent points in the context of the diary and your comment:

As a kid I was the smartest kid in school with 70s-era new-age parents who explained (correctly) that the bullies were just scared and jealous.  I explained that to said bullies and they held me down and kicked me in the head more (all the worst bullying.  in adulthood we call it "forcible confinement", "assualt", "slander" - every violent crime you can name short of rape, but the ritual public humiliation has a similar psychological impact).  

For years.

Don't cry for me, Argentina.  In the end I wouldn't trade that experience for anything.  It made me who I am.

I tried becoming them, but that didn't help.  I realized at twelve years old that if becoming them was the path to solving this problem I would lose the war - I would become that which I hated most - a hateful and bitter person - and it would be by my own hand.  I would throw my life away as clearly and irrevocably as suicide.

So I stood up to the leader of them one day when they were picking on another kid and told him to pick on someone his own size.  He turned on me and said 'You're my size, Blask' (he wasn't big, just tough.  His followers were big) and I answered without flinching 'I guess I am'.  They never from that moment bothered me again.  Every similar situation since I've done the same thing.  Never ever back down - never ever become the enemy.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 10:02:06 AM EST
[ Parent ]

But the problem (none / 0)

become when we allow that to be the excuse for some of the things we choose to do when it may not be in the democratic best interest.
You said:

Starting out as idealists, we learned that democracy, in order to be democracy, requires compromise and compromise requires pragmatism.  

I've seen too many "compromises" from the last 8 years and yes from Bill Clinton's time in office that were hand fed to the American people as compromises that had to be made in order to reach a common good..when it reality it was to further their own interest.


by Grissom1001 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 11:33:32 AM EST
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It is not about "choosing"..... (2.00 / 1)

no one person or group should get to CHOOSE what is right or wrong for the people, the country.  And no one person or group could do so except for the fact that (some/many) Americans got lazy.

You can blame Bill Clinton, or Hillary or Barrack if you want....or Pelosi or Reid or Hoyer.  But is US, we the people who by our ignorance, our laziness, whatever who allowed decades of right wingers to call the shots.  Even when Bill Clinton was in office, he only had a democratic congress for the first four years.  We all b*tch and moan about W....but Congress did not stop him.  The people's house was run by crooks and thieves.....for decades.

NOW, maybe some people have awakened.  But because of our past laziness...especially in the "greed is good" Reagan years.......people did nothing.

We have met the enemy and it is US.

Unless we, the people, get out there, educate voters to NOT vote against their own interest.....I don't care who is elected president, change will not happen.
All through the 80's and 90s, people like me went out and tried to get democrats elected.  We knocked on doors, we licked envelopes.....but we were few and far between.  And now we are no longer wanted at all (you know, the old white women too many of the new left consider a waste of time.)  So good luck with it.  Unless you all wake up to reality and do the hard work to convince folks to vote for the people and not for the power hungry, greedy people who control things...you will see your nominee forced to compromise every bit as much as Bill Clinton.


by Jjc2008 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 03:42:26 PM EST
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Well said. (none / 0)

No one person or group should be able to make the rules, or tell the rest what is right and wrong.

Not even if they happen to be correct.

The risk in accepting a single Brilliant Benevolent Dictator is that when they are gone - or when they lose their focus - Paradise becomes Hell.

BTW, Jjc, you would be surprised how welcome you are.  I know your demographic (from what you describe) sided more in large part with a candidate different than I did, many of your peers have been among the most active Obama supporters for a long time.  Your perception of being unwanted may be more battle-fatigue perspective than a reality.  Plenty of "old white women" on the MyBO vbolunteer teams I have been involved with, and plenty of them are the thought leaders.  You are more than welcome to add your skills to the battle.

-best

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 03:11:36 PM EST
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Re: Winning the Big Game is What Matters (none / 0)

Very cool diary, Chris.  Your perspective is unique, and appreciate your sharing it with us here.

Rec'd


I'm as strong as a bull moose, and you can use me to the limit. - Teddy Roosevelt
by fogiv on Thu Jun 26, 2008 at 12:20:45 PM EST


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